Official secret – top secret

The conversation was about circumstances of his knowledge of placed mines on Gospic area, about which he sad the following.

During the previous conversation he said that he knew for several placed mines on Kosinj area, which he placed himself, and he said that because showing of that mine places was his condition for retirement, for precaution, because he was afraid of what might have happened with him after that previous conversation.

Further, he said that the fact was that he knew about existence of unmarked mine field, made of anti-infantry mines in Kosinj, and he found out about that mine field from a map he found in one Serbian house, together with some notebook. In the notebook was written what kind of mines were there and who brought the mines in Kosinj. Mines were brought by soldiers of ex JNA (Yugoslav army), an officer whose name was Cad, and mines were placed by Serbs from Kosinj. On that map was marked the area on which were the mines, and that was a hill which separated Croatian part of settlement from Serbian part, the side of the hill which led to Serbian houses, in the direction from Gornji Kosinj to Lipovo polje. Beginning of the mine field was in direction of crossroad in Gornji Kosinj, on which were the police point. There was no further cognition about mines.

Further he said that this summer, after he got retired, together with three members of 9th guard brigade, who were also retired, he organised celebration on Baske Ostarije. On that celebration was present general Mirko Norac, several officers of SIS and several military officers from Headquarters of OS of Croatia.

Then one officer from Headquarters said that he prohibited him any conversations with the police and anyone who is connected with police and general Norac told him that he wouldn’t allow that somebody plays games with his people.

Also one officer from Headquarters (didn’t want to say his name) told him that for his retirement was meritorious strictly general Mirko Norac and that on some meeting where was discussed his retirement, against the retirement was Zeljko Sacic, assistant of minister for internal affairs, and that he was imputing him «all against».

He also said that on that occasion they were retteling him what was talking about on the meetings in Gospic in March and April of this year.

Further he said that he was prohibited to talk with the police, because he might be delivered in Haag, and he thought it wasn’t right, because everything he was doing during the war, he did for welfare of Croatia and with knowledge of superiors.

He mentioned that before action «Medacki dzep» (Medak pocket) came in Gospic deceased minister Gojko Susak and told them that would be good to be less Serbs on that area, which he understood they should be killed or sent away, so added, I quote: « why Sacic behave as he is crazy, he was also here and he knows everything what was going on here and why», ended quotation. Some things «was done» by Rozic, some others, and some things «were done» by specialists and we all know that.

He said that he participated himself in preparation of plans for action «Medacki dzep» and added that he conducted defining of attacks and leaving corridor for Serbs so that they could escape. Also he said that he was placing mines by order in Serbian houses in Gospic and around houses, and made it so it looked like attack on Gospic, to show European observers that Serbs were breaking the truce.

He says that this summer, one day (doesn’t remember the date) he had an idea to kill Suljkanovic Ibrahim. Namely, he was in front of his house in Budacka Street and spotted Suljkanovic in front of the house as he was going down the Budacka Street and stopping cars. He decided to kill him and set in his car to get on the Budacka Street and give a ride to Suljkanovic, kill him and take his body somewhere on Velebit and get rid of the body, but when he wanted to get out of the yard, he couldn’t , because someone parked on his car entrance, so he gave up. He wanted to kill Suljkanovic because he, together with Levar was giving statements to journalists of Globus (Zeljko Peratovic) about some actions from the war.

He said he was working smartly and he was not a fool like «Buso» (Busljeta), who threw bodies near road, as he threw those two bodies on Takalica.

He says that his health is in bad condition, he can’t sleep and that he takes every day big amount of tablets. He often becomes very agressive and iritated, and several times every day he thinks of suicide. Not rarely,on moments,he loses memory, and he can’t remember anything.

He feels bittered on invalide commission from Rijeka, which refused his demand for acknowledging of disability, with explanation that his diagnosis of PTS (Post Traumatical Sindrom) is not result of the war.

He also spoke very negatively about Ivan Tomljenovic, former deputy of chief of Lika –senj police station,whom he believed the most, till recently. He said that before the war Tomljenovic had one pair of horses and nothing else, and he became rich in the war so much that he owned several houses on the shore, several firms, several apartments and shops in Zagreb, factory for meat processing and so on, and all that thanks to his cousin who worked in MUP.

He remembered that he with his formation, once in 1991., on Baske Ostarije fel into mine fields, into trip mines, which were placed by Tomljenovic, and added that he was no good Croat and that he always cooperated with Serbs.

Later he said that he was placing different kinds of mines on different places and in different ways, but he has never been placing mines under cars and that he would research that then, how to put mine on the best way under a car, to explode when a car starts. On question why he needs that, he said that you can never know.

Sources close to Sasa Perkovic and Tomislav Karamarko say that POA didn’t even put criminal charge against Franjo Turek for interference of work of ICTY. Supposedlly, against that was Ivan Jarnjak, and Vlatko Cvrtila didn’t look benevolently on possibility that his Francek from Zagorje (area in Croatia, near Zagreb) get some penal servitude.

By that is anyway opened the space for Carla Del Ponte to ask from Croatia delivering of Franjo Turek based on charge for interference of work of ICTY, and she would ask Turek who ordered him from the government to interference Haag’s investigators, what wouldn’t make happy President Stjepan Mesic.

Carla’s apettites will supposedly tried to be satisfied with criminal charge against Markica Rebic, Stipan Udiljak, Ivan Brzovic and others because of helping in hiding Ahmic’s four and Ivica Rajic.

That announced before recent journalist texts in Feral and Jutarnji list President Mesic himself, claiming that collected informations about those who hide Ahmic’s and Ivica Rajic, and whose behaviour was foothold in attitude for Carla Del Ponte that in the same time even today secret services are helping Gotovina.

So, Mesic’s services Karamarko and Perkovic, will put all the blame for opstruction of Haag’s investigations on Rebic’s people,as they are trying to weak one of the holes in net of Gotovina’s helpers. (Mesic’s statement in media - on Croatian)

It would be significant to Europe when in the same time would be given prooves
that Gotovina is not moving in direction of Sibenik’s area, Udbina, Grahovo,Glamoc…

Neverthless, the story about passports is very thin and about that it was known who stole it and who gave one to Ante Gotovina so he can temporarily escape from the country. ( Some wrote to Italy, some said in Canada)

In time of stealing Mostar’s passports (it is not known for sure did the passports were physicaly in Mostar or Zagreb) chief of VII administration for safety in ministry of foraign affaires was Sasa Perkovic, present Mesic’s advisor for national security.

He supposed to, by his authorisation, be on the head of investigation of stolen passports and have the most accurate informations possible.

Later he was assistant of chief of OA, Damir Loncaric, (Karamarko’s friend from Zagreb police).

That function helped Sasa Perkovic to have bigger insight in safety problems across Croatian border, especialy in B and H and Serbia.

Considering that he was involved in HIS’s operation Barakuda Sasa Perkovic was in opportunity to have insight in secret ways of international organised crime.

So again, he didn’t distinguish himself in search for Gotovina. It was not possible to hear that he tried to report his knowledgments to anyone about Mostar’s passport, with which Gotovina supposedlly left Croatia.

American partners, who in former HIS, donated one million dollars for modernization technics and technologies, are wondering what Perkovic knows about that money, and what he says about information of his operative worker I.I. that Gotovina in June 2003. was hiding in Ram Franciscian convent Scit, because of which American ambassador in Sarajevo had to protect Scit’s monastery superior.

I’m afraid that medias, spies and politicians didn’t learn well lessons from recent history, that promiscuite erotic circles among them dangerous for freedom of medias and for general democratic picture of society. It is possible that so desired, hated Europe, exactly in that sense respond on little application for date of negotiations.

Slavko Degoricija, former main man in HAK, was deputy of minister for internal affairs, Josip Boljkovac, and one of main Manolic’s men, who cared that Stedul’s fraction in MORH (Ministry of defense) don’t take over Lika completely.

One day before the assassination I was sitting with Mile Mrla and Slavko Degoricija on the terrace of hotel Dubrovnik on Trg Ban Jelacic (square), only about ten meters away from doorway where I shared neighbourghood with Dragutin Tadijanovic, Almira Osmanovic, on 2A Gajeva Street.

Degoricija and Mrla was convincing me that Milan Levar was crazy. Degoricija told me that investigators of crimes in Gospic and Medacki dzep, wouldn’t find material evidences, because corps were transfered and over new graves were pine woods. Mrla announced me that Levar might be killed and that he heard that from one chief of intelligence service. He didn’t want to be specific who and former or present one.

A few hours before he died of palmed off bomb, Levar called me and told me that Haag’sinvestigators at one time were very interested in talk with Degoricija in Graz.

That he talked with Mrla the previous night, to whom he that summer through connections of Joza Manolic arranged not to throw him from city apartment, and that Mrla apologized to him. That he would continue conversation with him as soon as he finish mending tyre of his automobile, which he was reparing in mother’s yard – what he also said to Mrla.

They never continued their conversation, and Mrla and Degoricija didn’t even come to his
funeral.

I met them one day before the funeral as they were laughing on the terrace of hotel Dubrovnik in Gajeva Street, five steps away from doorway where I lived. Degoricija asked me if I knew who killed Levar, because I was such a wise mant that I should have known that.

Mrla told me that, after medias broadcasted the news that Levar was killed, that night in hall of restaurant Svetice he met Tihonmir Oreskovic, who still didn’t know that Levar was dead. When Mrla told him that, he wanted to talk with him, but he apologised that he couldn’t talk because some journalists were waiting for him.

One month after this conversation, I met Mile Mrla on Zrinjevac. With relief, he told me that MUP wanted to talk with him about circumstances of Milan Levar’s murder, but he informed about that his friend Tomislav Karamarko, at that time chief of UNS, who arranged with police not to question him.

Application

Dear Sir,

The Committee for internal politics and national security and Council for supervision of safety services didn’t reply on question from our mutual Memorandum, have over us five journalists, been used measures of secret collecting of informations during 2003.

I please once again for urgent actions, and to inform me in soonest time about possible taken actions of titled Committee.

Best regards,

Journalist Zeljko Peratovic